Convertible debenture's? Okay. So either these guys are stupid and like to lose money or they got them for less than 1.8 cents. Let me add that if the deal with Scott was so good, I would have expected that the management at Grayling would have shown a little more excitement and added some details. Maybe Jeff should hire another PR company. MEC Promotions have been so active, I can't keep up with them. Actually, for a nominal retainer, I could do just about as well! Wonder if they are interested?